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Pat Dye’s Pants Step into Controversy

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Pat Dye has weighed into controversy for the first time in a while by declaring that former secretary of state Condoleeza Rice  isn’t, er, eh, qualified… to sit on next year’s FBS playoff selection committee. Sounds legit coming from Pat:

All she knows about football is what somebody told her. Or what she read in a book or what she saw on television. To understand football, you’ve got to play with your hand in the dirt.”

Coach Dye promptly took an abrupt three minute coughing break and a quick timeout for Golden Flake before brushing up on international law and treaties 101.

“I love Condoleezza Rice and she’s probably a good statesman and all of that, but how in the hell does she know what it’s like out there when you can’t get your breath and it’s 110 degrees and the coach asks you to go some more?”

I believe the correct terminology is statesperson, Pat. We haven’t used statesman referring to female heads of state and diplomatic personnel since the days when football coaches also wore the AD cap on campus. Plus, the dead-end conjunction and all of that pretty much signifies that you’re sitting your starters for the second half of that argument. Or playing for the tie.

Look, as the alleged sexist, misogynistic chauvinist in residence on this blog (remember Mo Isom), I think the old boy has a point, and I’m not going to just let him one-hop his point like a Pat Washington pass without at least trying to provide a little Brent Fulwood toss sweep myself. Look, it’s not because she’s missing a Y chromosome. She’s missing X and O chromosomes.

The gentleman from Auburn, Alabama has the floor:

Cough, cough. (clearing throat)

In this politically correct world, it’s far too easy and fatal to assume Condi couldn’t line up in a 3-point stance on the selection committee because of her gender or color. Pat was just trying to say that she didn’t have enough of a football background to qualify her for such a lofty position, no matter how many times she dressed down Putin in her career, or lobbied for the NFL commish-ship after her eligibility had expired following the Bush administration. She’s got Arab street cred, but none for the gridiron.

It would be like trying to promote any of the editors on this blog for the job. Or Paul Finebaum.

Actually, Paw would be supremely qualified just as long as Alabama was in the running and Auburn or LSU weren’t. But you get the point. You don’t have to have played. You just have to be an insider. Token picks are no solution. Just look at my pick em results from last week.

How many other CFB babes could you move ahead of Condi? Sam Ponder. Maria Taylor. Tracy Wolfson. Holly Rowe. Brett Beliema’s wife. And the departed Erin Andrews. Has anyone seen her without her glasses recently?

Look, a job as important as playoff selecting shouldn’t be turned over to rank amateurs. They did that to the blogs some years ago and you see how far downhill that’s gone.

And don’t look for ole Pat to make any more comments surrounding this statement. It’s third and long and he needs Jack Crowe to run it up the middle. And he left his prepared statement in his other pants.

88 Comments

  1. War Eagle Girl War Eagle Girl says:

    Don’t get me started on Pat Dye…….he needs to ride off into the sunset and enjoy his latter years. I’m not even going to comment on his comment… ;) He is quickly losing favor with the fans and tarnishing his reputation. We don’t need another “bear”. JMHO.

  2. Todd92 Todd92 says:

    Yep, leave it to Pat Dye to screw up a valid point with a sexist comment. I have no problem with the board consisting of former coaches, players, Atheletic Directors, football analysts (regardless of sex, race, religion, dexterity, musical preference, favorite ice cream, etc…). But politicians and non football career people should not be on the committee. Was Alexander Haig or Henry Kissenger ever on the NCAA Basketball selection committee? Who the hell in this world thinks Condaleeza Rice is qualified for this position?

    • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

      I must have missed the sexist comment. What I understood him to say was that he didn’t agree with her being on the committee because she never participated in the game of football. He didn’t say she wasn’t qualified because of her gender.

      • Todd92 Todd92 says:

        Sorry I must have missed the part where he questioned the validity of any male committee members who didn’t play college football.

        • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

          Was he asked about those members?

          • Todd92 Todd92 says:

            Ha! Was he asked period?! Since when has someo e needed to ask him for Pat Dye to

          • Todd92 Todd92 says:

            Offer his opinion? And if someone is going to make such a distinction about qualifications it would be prudent to clarify. The insinuation, and a strong one at that, is that a women has never played so she can’t know football.

          • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

            Yes, he was asked what he thought about Condoleeza Rice being appointed to the selection committee. And yes, considering how people love to read way more into another person’s statements and conversation than was actually intended, Dye should have clarified his position.

  3. KoolBell KoolBell says:

    The reason that Condi was selected was because she has shown the propensity not to jump to conclusions. She also has an excellent track record of dealing with people who think they deserve the treatment of a King.

    I agree that she has very little football background.Her father coached football and basketball in High School, and she dated Rick Upchurch for a while. Upchurch is a former WR for the Denver Broncos.

    As to whether she should be on this committee, I could care less. Nothing anybody does will change the outcome of which teams gets selected. The naming of a selection committee, to me at least, screams human error and favoritism. Both of which, I could do without.

  4. Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

    …..Anyone on this committee needs to have the time and commitment to watch a lot of games, pore through the stats pages and try to make educated decisions. My guess is that this won’t happen for most of the folks on the committee, Condi or not.

    …..I will say this as a token dissenting opinion. Ms. Rice was typically very well prepared in her various meetings and duties. I’d rather have her on the committee, if she’s really looking into things, rather than a slobberin’ Lou or Lee Corso sort whose mind is already made up (don’t confuse ‘em with the facts!).

  5. Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

    I don’t understand the Pat Dye bashing, especially from Auburn people.

    • Pine Mt Tiger Pine Mt Tiger says:

      Agree.
      David Pollack (UGa) of ESPN brought this up when he said that women haven’t played football and he thought that should be a prerequisite. Pollack said:

      “I want people on this committee, guys, that can watch tape, yes, that have played football, that are around football, that can tell you different teams, on tape, not on paper–”
      “So no woman belongs on the committee, then?” said Fowler.
      “You said that … I’ll say it, yeah. Yeah,” said Pollack.”

      Lots of people have been asked what they think about his position. Many have responded including Gene Stallings on Tim Brando’s show this morning. Gene said, “Unless you coached, you can’t really analyze who the best teams might be.” Yet people want to jump on Dye because he also expressed an opinion. I get that from the west Vance people but why Auburn people want to bash one of their own is beside me.

      • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

        I think Sullivan013 hit the nail on the head when he mentioned people possibly disliking Dye’s Good-Ole’-Boy phrasing. I honestly don’t get it.

    • War Eagle Girl War Eagle Girl says:

      Because there are some of us who actually don’t care for Patrick Fain Dye. Sorry I don’t tow the line. As far as what he had done for Auburn he had also undone a lot for Auburn. He doesn’t need to be put on a pedestal. I, for one, am embarrassed to have his name on our field. None of this has to do with what he said yesterday ~ that just adds to it for me.
      Do we hold Terry Bowden up high? He did a lot for AU. Same for TT, same for Chizik. Are we going to honor them the way we do PFD? I doubt it. Some one wanted him to be our “bear” and that’s what bothers me more than anything. How many old coaches keep hanging around their programs? It just bothers me and more. Sorry just had to rant…..

      • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

        I don’t know any Auburn people who wanted “another bear”. Every Auburn person that I know wanted a coach that would beat Bryant and anyone else that Alabama hired and Dye did just that. I don’t know any Auburn person that puts Dye on a pedestal the way Alabama fans literally worship Bryant, but I do know a few that respectfully give him credit where credit is due. Maybe you weren’t around during the ’70s but it was a pretty miserable time to be an Auburn fan.
        What exactly did Dye do that rubbed you wrong? I can only assume it was the Eric Ramsey debacle. If so I would caution you not to be so quick to judge. Dye didn’t do anything that every successful program in the country wasn’t doing then and are still doing today.

        • Todd92 Todd92 says:

          “Everybody does it” is the lamest excuse. But beyond the obvious… Pat Dye is also part of the good ole boy network that has been a black eye on the university (not just the Atheletic Department) and add that to the bumbling that Dye does in front of the media….

          • sparkey sparkey says:

            He seems to have a problem with fire water as well. Maybe I’m way off base there, but it certainly seems that way. I think he did a whole lot for Auburn, but I think he did a whole lot that Auburn too. But, his contributions to Auburn cannot be denied and for that I’ll always be thankful. However, there are other things with Dye that I’ll never overlook either when giving an assessment to what he meant to Auburn. One thing’s for sure, he is a powder keg now just like he was then whether it’s with Alabama people or Auburn fans themselves. He definitely brings controversy with him from what I’ve seen since I’ve know about him and about Auburn.

          • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

            “Everybody does it “ is no excuse, but make no mistake, it IS the way it is. You see college football as you wish it was. I see college football as it is. Maybe not as I would like it to be, but as it is. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve told my friends that I wish college athletics weren’t driven by revenue and TV ratings, and college athletics shouldn’t be treated as farm leagues for professional sports. They shouldn’t be, but the fact is they are. The NCAA missed their chance to prevent that from happening many decades ago. Bad non-move. Their poor foresight and total lack of appropriate action going back decades, has led us to this point in time. Our current reality is one of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Don’t Get Caught.” The NCAA’s flaccid and reactionary enforcement structure virtually endorses that current reality. It’s the world we live in, it’s the world Pat Dye had to deal with, and if we want to “keep up with the Jones’ ” we will be playing by those as of yet, unwritten rules. We do want to keep up with the Jones’ right? College football’s governing body (supposedly the NCAA) is currently receiving a cold hard education on how college football really works. If the NCAA wants to remain relevant, they are going to have to change. They are going to have to accept the fact that TV ratings and money drive college football, and the best players want to attend the most competitive colleges and some of those players do it strictly as a means to an NFL end and not an educational end. Television and money will not change for the NCAA, it will be the NCAA that adapts to the real world. They will adapt or they will cease to remain relevant. We as fans, alumni, etc. face the same dilemma that the NCAA faces. Some of us recognize these facts and some of us live in NCAA fantasy land. The media sharks are swarming around the NCAA now instead of the so called offending institutions and the red hot Emmert-Saban bromance should clue you in to which way the wind is blowing.

            At the end of the day, how many of us would be posting on this blog if Dan Reeves got the Auburn job instead of Pat Dye? I suspect few. Most likely nobody. Would this blog even exist? I suspect not. Admit it or not, we all know how college football operates. I for one won’t admire what Pat Dye did for Auburn, then turn around and whine about the way he did it. So he’s part of the Good Ol’ Boy Network at Auburn. Find another university that doesn’t have their version of that network then get back to me. I don’t have a single picture, publication, or memento related to Pat Dye, but every time the opportunity present itself, I shake the man’s hand and thank him for what he did for Auburn.

        • War Eagle Girl War Eagle Girl says:

          Yeah, well Doug Barfield was “my” coach so yeah I was around in the 70’s. ;) I didn’t know I was supposed to be a miserable fan because I didn’t grow up in Alabama. Maybe that’s why I don’t have any trouble not adoring PFD. I think adoring fans do put him on a Pedestal ~ otherwise why would they “keep him around”? I was living away at the time of the incident and I was totally embarrassed by what happened ~ don’t care if it was happening everywhere else. Outside of Alabama it was a definite black-eye on AU. I was living overseas when Terry Bowden debacle happened. No internet back then so I only got information from AU. It was awful. But we don’t revere him. He actually took AU back to heights after Dye but why isn’t he respected? Just don’t get the difference. What is going to happen to Chiz? He is disrespected but he won us a championship. Where is his respect? Are we going to name something after him? This is what I mean by people wanting a Bear. I don’t want us to be like the updykes. in any way or form and that’s what we sound like. And I hear it everyday on the radio.

          • Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

            …..Living through the Barfield era myself, it wasn’t actually so miserable, most of the time, till the last year. A lot of folks forget that. Barfield came into a messy situation at Auburn. The team had been predicted to contend for the SEC title the year before, and had stumbled to a 3-6-2 record, with only close wins over Kentucky, Florida State and Georgia Tech.

            …..Barfield’s first year in the SEC started by outscoreing Tennessee in B’ham 38-28, and this was with a team gutted by graduation. A 10-0 blanking of Ole Miss followed, but then injuries took a toll on a not very deep team left by the previous administration.

            …..Year 2 started with out of conference struggles, but Auburn eeked out wins over Tennessee in Knoxville, Ole Miss, and then stunned Florida 29-14. The TIgers took a 27-13 loss to MSU at home, but seemed to turn the corner in Athens and drubbed a favored UGA team 33-14. The Tigers entered the Iron Bowl at 4-1, and were battling Alabama for the SEC title. Unfortunately the defense missed the bus, and Auburn lost 48-21.

            …..Year 3 Auburn started 3-0, with a big win over Tennessee in Legion Field, the 3rd in a row over the Vols. There were a couple of heart-breaking losses to Miami and Georgia Tech, but Auburn smashed Vandy in Nashville. A 31-7 loss in Gainesville threatened to derail the season, but Auburn turned it around in Starkville, and shut down a heavily favored Bulldog squad 6-0. The orange jerseys game out at home against Georgia, and Auburn dominated, but were robbed of the win by a half dozen terrible calls by the refs, and had to settle for a 22-all tie. The Iron Bowl was competitive, with Auburn losing to the eventual national champs 34-16. Auburn had improved every year, and looked to have a pretty good senior-laden team in 1979, then probation struck from stuff that happened prior to Barfield’s administration.

            …..The probation saddled 1979 team was pretty good, but stumbled in Knoxville, and then blew a 38-21 halftime lead in Winston-Salem against Wake Forest. However, these Tigers knocked off everyone else to go into the Iron Bowl at 8-2. They gave Bama all they wanted, before falling 25-18. Auburn finished the year 16th in the AP poll.

            ……All the while, President Harry Philpott and his successor Handley Funderburk wrung their hands and left Barfield twisting in the wind with no contract extensions. The wheels came off in 1980, and Barfield was let go after a 5-6 season, including 0-6 in the SEC.

          • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

            Apparently Bowden butted heads with the wrong people at AU, then to make matters worse, he tried to torch the place after he quit in the middle of the season. Not conducive to future bronze statues or bobble heads even.

            Chiz will get the respect he deserves, and he does deserve it. Unfortunately the wheels fell off under his watch, and fell off in an historic manner. Any accomplishment will be balanced by that very large caveat.

          • Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

            …..Bowden also effectively black-balled himself with that mid-season resignation. No program would touch him for years after that. He finally got back into the game at North Alabama, but it took a decade of trying to get every job that came open.

  6. Eagle1 says:

    I agree with Coach Dye and for most of the same reasons. Also, any hint of politics should be left out of the committee. Had Coach Dye said the same thing about Kissinger, he would not be taking the barbs that he is now. I am still very proud of Coach Dye and respect him and love to hear him speak and give his opinion. The day that we start putting men of his time and stature out to pasture for a few things they may say that some people don’t agree with, it will be time to shut the gate behind ourselves also.
    WAR EAGLE!

  7. sullivan013 sullivan013 says:

    Not to get too far down the road, but the man has a point, if you look past his Good-Ol’-Boy phrasing that seems to rile some people.

    People joining the NCAA playoff committee need a host of skills, many of them managerial and intangible – intelligence, diplomatic skills, organizational competence, decision making, communication, a spotless reputation, and above all honesty. Condi Rice has all of these by the bucket full and is highly qualified and would be an excellent choice under those criteria.

    However, not to put to fine a point on it, this involves the game of football, played by top athletes, coached by people with a depth of understanding and insight of the actual game, its preparation, intricacies and the requirements for fairness. Those qualities are very tangible and practical and can ONLY be gained by experience either playing or coaching at that level. No matter how fervent the fan or casual observer can read or vicariously observe and study the matter, there is a fundamental difference in what they will understand about the game and what a participant will be able to relate from their perspective.

    A mountain climber and a tourist can both see the view from the peak, but only one has a profound understanding of what they are witnessing.

    I think that is what Coach Dye was trying to say. To hire or appoint someone to the committee without the very practical understanding from the playing field is to exclude the very necessary input of how any decision will change the game we all love. Let the professionals with practical experience have a say on the matter, in addition to the skilled executives.

    But in the end, I’d rather see the experience win out. However valuable those other attributes are, they shouldn’t trump the very practical understanding gained on the sidelines or the field of play.

    • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

      You should have been a politician!

      • sullivan013 sullivan013 says:

        Sorry, but I’m not qualified to be a politician. My parents were married to each other.

        • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

          Haha! Also overqualified to be a bammer!

    • MyAuburn MyAuburn says:

      Rec’d, See comment below.

  8. Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

    After Dye told Crowe to run it up the middle on third and long, producing fourth and medium, Lewis Colbert punted, pinned the opposition inside their five, effectively flipping the field in Auburn’s favor. Four to eight plays later Auburn regains possession and continued to physically destroy the opposition’s defense.

  9. MyAuburn MyAuburn says:

    As usual Coach Dye does a poor job of stating exactly what needs to not happen. Just like every other football coach he is blunt, to the point and politically incorrect, (I have personally experienced the same thing from him) in spades but he is exactly right. Someone who has never been closer to a football game than in a luxury box has no business deciding who is the best team(s).

    Condi is smart, knows politics, and like WEA said she has Arab cred but does not know squat about real football.

    I submit Acid should be on the committee, he knows tons more than Condi.

  10. sparkey sparkey says:

    I disagree with him. I’ve never played a down of football. I’d be more qualified than Lou Holtz or Lee Corso or others who will pick who they like period. I know a lot about football. I’ve just never played. That doesn’t mean I know a whole lot less than others on here who have played. I study the game constantly. I know defenses, I know offenses, I know talent, I know winners, and I know the game of football overall.

    • WarEagleAtlanta WarEagleAtlanta says:

      That may be true, Sparkey, but you couldn’t just fall into the position either. There has to be some qualification. I think that’s what Pat is saying. Why should it be her? What if some other celebrity du jour wanted the job? Could we have a situation where Justin Beiber or Tina Fey or even Charles Barkley could be judges? Great. We could spin some reality show out of it.

  11. WarEagleAtlanta WarEagleAtlanta says:

    Ha! Rush Limbaugh mentioned Pat Dye and Condi today. I didn’t catch the whole segment but Limbaugh thinks there is more going on with Pat than is being said. I hope he wasn’t alluding to racism.

    Some of you are concerned we’re being a little too harsh on the former Auburn coach. We’re just having a little fun. Pat isn’t a babe in the woods and knows full well the pitfalls of weighing in an opinion like this. I’m sure he had his big boy pants on. Or did he lose those too?

    • Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

      Dude, step away from the radio…..

      • WarEagleAtlanta WarEagleAtlanta says:

        It’s either that or all that Braves and Falcons sports talk and I didn’t feel like slitting my wrists today.

        • Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

          …..Rough weekend outside of Auburn. My NFL team scored 48 points and still lost the ballgame. Of course, it wasn’t to the Jets…

          • Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

            The Broncos are unstoppable. Of course that tony frickin romo interception didn’t help the cowboys any. So there’s that.

        • Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

          One word: PANDORA!!

          It says a lot that you turn to Rush to avoid the SportsTalkity talk. Awh now I feel like giving you a hug.

          • Todd92 Todd92 says:

            The only time I will tune into Rush Limbaugh is when he announces his retirement. He’s worse than Finebaum and is nothing more than a half witted hypocrite hate monger…. Sorry but that pill popping halfwit makes my blood boil.

  12. wpleagle says:

    How great this debate is! Courteous but standing up for our points. Love it.
    War Eagle. Go Big Blue.

  13. Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

    Not so fast guys. Condi has a tighter relationship to football than any of you realize. She helps David Shaw on the recruiting trail. Helps to diagram plays, AND has had many thoughts on player safety. So the argument that she doesn’t understand X’s and O’s is just flat out false.

    http://www.stanforddaily.com/2013/03/12/condoleezza-rice-assists-with-football-recruiting-efforts/

    I never agreed with her political affiliations, but this decision is not linked to politics. It is taking a knowledgeable person and giving her a position on a selection committee. Now, just because YOU (looking at most of the people who commented above) didn’t previously appreciate her connection, love, passion, what have you for football, doesn’t make it a wrong decision. Maybe you should consider (and appreciate) that she certainly has the capacity to be tenacious and knowledgeable about any task put before her.

    • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

      Luther Davis (2 Live Crew) helped recruit for Miami. Just sayin’.

    • MyAuburn MyAuburn says:

      I understand what you are saying but on the other hand, my plumber, who is top notch, is also quite a good electrician but I would not trust him to wire a house for me.

      • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

        I was leaning toward a trade analogy but couldn’t resist throwing in a 2 Live Crew reference.

      • Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

        It very well just may be that Condi will be the Sarah Palin of the committee and think that the Mike is the d00d that brings the coffee. It’s just that the arguments that I’ve seen against her being a part of the committee have more to do with her being a woman versus anything else. (David Pollack, looking at you).

        There are women trying to be refs in the nfl, so there are women out there that can do this. Whether Condi is that woman to validate this process, I don’t know, but no one that I’ve seen is scrutinizing any of the male appointees…..at least from the limited that I’ve seen on this subject.

        • Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

          …..I think you’re right. Same thing when you get big threads with one nasty comment after another about Beth Mowins, who I think does a really good job announcing.

  14. War_Eagle_2010 War_Eagle_2010 says:

    I love Condi as much as anyone (she’s an Alabamian herself) but just like being a fortune 500 CEO doesn’t qualify you to perform brain surgeury, being a politician doesn’t qualify you as a credible football expert.

    I just hope that this panel dedicates the many hours of film study needed each week to get the rankings right, if they aren’t competant you could have a poweful inner ring of 3-4 people end up influencing the votes.

  15. AUJTJarhead AUJTJarhead says:

    Not a one of us can hold a candle to Pat Dye. He has done more for AU than any of us. Shut the hell up you politically correct pantie wearing girly men. Pat is right and you are fem boys. Lord deliver us from girly males who vote!

    • zotus zotus says:

      Dear Jarhead,

      James Ralph Jordan and Patrick Fain Dye made Auburn Football. It seems that some folks around the Auburn scene today just cannot abide that fact.

      If it bothers these people to have the names of Coach Jordan & Coach Dye associated with Auburn’s Football stadium, then too bad for them.

      If it bothers these people if Coach Dye makes a public comment that pertains to the Auburn Football program, then too bad for them.

      To respond to your other comments, I’ve noticed that one doesn’t have to go to Oxford Mississippi, on an autumn Saturday afternoon, to observe Grove Girly Boy types anymore. They can pop up anywhere. Sadly, even on an Auburn blog.

      Semper Fi

    • sparkey sparkey says:

      Right, I’m a girlie man myself. Wow really? That’s your argument for disagreeing with Pat Dye? We’re girly males to you? Believe me when I tell you, I’m not a girlie man. I just don’t think you have to play football to know about football. I’ll fight anybody on that one until I can’t type or talk anymore. Just because you didn’t play, it doesn’t mean you don’t know football. That’s pure and simple garbage.

      • Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

        Just give em a sec; they’ll be done measuring any minute……..yawn.

      • AUJTJarhead AUJTJarhead says:

        You will “type” fight me? Why don’t you join me on my next little foray into Afghanistan. I’ll show you what fighting is you girly boy!

        • sparkey sparkey says:

          Wow, calling out somebody with muscular dystrophy. You’re really tough brah. Wow, I’m so impressed. Thank you for your service. But, again, I’ll see I’m not a girly boy or whatever the hell else you want to call me whatever brah. You have no idea who it is I am. None.

      • Tigerstripe Tigerstripe says:

        Not calling anyone names but I think it’s safe to say that unless you’ve strapped the helmet on, got your bell rung, thrown up in your face mask or drank from a communal rubber hose…you don’t know EVERYTHING about PLAYING the game… Now I don’t know if that will be an asset in the boardroom…

        It will also be safe to say that no matter who they appoint, we won’t be happy. We never are.

        • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

          I nominate Patrick Fain Dye!

    • Todd92 Todd92 says:

      Pat Dye while having done great things for AU also caused great turmoil for AU… He didn’t build AU football… He brought it back after a major slump but he by no means built it. It was great long before he got there. I’ll give the man his due but I won’t be nominating him for sainthood… He would have never survived in this day and age as a coach of a major university, he and Mike Price could compare notes though.

      • sparkey sparkey says:

        You and I are in complete agreement with each other. To the ones that praise him so much, you’ve never seen some of the stuff he does when gets drunk have you?

        • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

          I’ve never seen him drunk, and I’ve been around him quite a bit, at least back in the 80’s.

          • Todd92 Todd92 says:

            Then you weren’t around him that often….

          • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

            10-12 hrs per week for roughly 8 months. Is that enough?

          • Todd92 Todd92 says:

            Was this in an official capacity or a social setting where he was able kick up his heels? I’ve seen him in both and it’s not the same. I also got an earful from Wanda on occasion…

          • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

            In the 80’s mostly official.

      • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

        Gotta disagree with you there. Dye adapted while in his era and he would adapt today. We all know he could recruit with the best of them.

  16. wde1988 wde1988 says:

    Picking on Dye? This world is changing so fast Lord, ain’t it a wonder we can agree on anything anymore?

    Pass my coke cola and golden flake chips if you please!

    WDE

  17. Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

    …..And I’ve got to give a big salute to WEA for this thread. He’s been missed around here, because no one’s better at getting a great discussion going!

    • Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

      Right??!!! And Rec.

    • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

      Yep. He stirred us up a little bit.

      • zotus zotus says:

        … and, I’ve got to give a big salute to Third Generation Tiger for participating in this thread.

        Why some Auburn people seem to want to tie Coach Dye to the whipping post, every so often, for a dose of public ridicule and scorn is way beyond me.

        We’ve been told that it is all in good fun and makes for a good discussion. I know Alabama people who think so. They’re the ones who use the same language and exhibit the exact feigned moral superiority as was used in this tread when they talk about Coach Dye in public.

        Auburn people? Not so much.

        But, I wanted to thank you for your prudent public comments. WDE!

        • Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

          …..Even back in the 1980s, you could count on some sort of non-sequitur or ill-advised quote every month from Dye, and it didn’t really mean much. He really hasn’t changed. We really appreciate what he did for Auburn, except for the Eric Ramsey mess.

          • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

            Everybody has their Eric Ramsey. We were unfortunate to also have Twilita.

        • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

          My pleasure Zotus.

          WDE!

    • WarEagleAtlanta WarEagleAtlanta says:

      I just like stirring the pudding. Ain’t no business like show business.

      Wasn’t me that got us kicked off SBN?

      I kid, I kid…

      • Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

        …..The thing that bothered me most about that, was that we really never got a legit “why” out of them.

        • WarEagleAtlanta WarEagleAtlanta says:

          We lost out to the younger, hipper whiz kids. Which I could understand if they had had more hits than we do.

          • Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

            I wander over there from time to time. I don’t look at the site meter, but most of their posts have the distinct sound of crickets. They get more comments from the bammers than they do Auburn folks…that’s a bit disturbing.

            I will say that RBR has also had a complete (mostly) turnover of editors/managers. I find the timing of that suspicious-because it started to happen within 6 months of ouster of TET. Maybe SBN is going through a mid-life crisis?

            The new SBN format is difficult to navigate, IMHO. I don’t have anything against the C&M kids, but they didn’t show any respect for the Auburn site that had been there previously. That was ungracious and uncool-and just stupid, considering how loyal many of us were to TET.

      • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

        SBN blows. Wear it as a badge of honor.

        • Todd92 Todd92 says:

          On that we can agree… I’ve lurked there a couple of times. Never logged in or commented… Never felt the need. Only semi regular over there that I respect is JD and I still don’t get why he doesn’t come here more often.

          • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

            The guys that write Every Day Should be Saturday are pretty clever but even that blog isn’t as good as it used to be.

          • Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

            …..I still check out C&M from time to time. I’ll admit to being curious over what we were replaced with.

            …..They have an author who goes by “War Room Eagle” or some such that does pretty good Xs and Os once a week. I had high hopes for “undercover barner,” but there’s been maybe one post in a season and a half there that seriously made fun of the Bammers. She probably got a warning from SBN over it…

          • Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

            …..As to EDSBS, they really miss Spencer Hall/Orson Swindle. He had the rare knack of being serious and slapstick funny at the same time.

        • WarEagleAtlanta WarEagleAtlanta says:

          A real badge of honor is that even our detractors followed us over here. Probably because it’s a little easier to create multiple accounts and hide though…