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Jakell Williams

By on January 12th, 2015 in Member Post 10 Comments »

The latest news on describes the altercation involving Jakell Williams, detailing the detective’s report that Williams exchanged gunfire with the murder suspect.  Without diving into those details, I will just make the assumption that the detective’s report is probably valid.


 I lean neither right or left in my political ideology, and although I am raising two daughters and play a parent rather conservatively, I would consider myself far from being a prude.  All that being said, why do these kids have handguns?  What happened to the days when the worst thing that usually happened in a too-late-in-the-evening fight was a broken nose?  I know this happens too often anyway; when it’s an accomplished athlete at a major university, it just shines the spotlight brighter.  


Is there any sanity in this situation, and if not, how do you keep it from happening again?  One life is over, one is completely wasted, and many people are left bobbing in the wake.  I don’t get it.  


  1. spanky says:

    The issues here run far deeper than universities and thier athletes. It starts early in these kids development. I do not think there is much the universities can do without basically running the athletic department like a penitentiary. Sadly, to me, it is a culture issue that keeps going round and round in a vicious cycle. I was watching the golden globes last night, and Common made a speach that seems relevant here. He said that, “Maybe instead of a helping hand, a kid was given a bullet instead.” Just look at the NFL, its still present there, and these are so called “adults”. Sadly, football is the only hope for some of the kids, and a lifetime of bad influences manifest themselves all the time, and because football is so popular, that’s where we hear about it. It happens everyday to the same type of people, but its not as covered because they just weren’t talented enough to play on a sports team.

  2. Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

    …..I’ve never owned a handgun, but I did buy a 12 gauge riot gun when I was pretty young. Folks were getting their place broken into near where I was living, and getting robbed at gunpoint. I was going to paint the walls with those robbers, if they broke into my pad! I’ve still got that gun. Never shot anyone with it, but it has put bruises on my shoulder a bunch of times!

    …..It was way rarer in the 1970s and 1980s for young folks to be carrying. I saw a firearm pulled maybe twice during my 20s. Anyone with any sense knew it was time to go, if a gun or knife came out. Now knives… everybody had a knife. I carried a big ole Buck lockblade knife right beside my wallet in my back pocket.

    …..We saw plenty of really stupid drunken bar fights, and altercations at parties. Guns didn’t come out. Probably the worst you’d see is someone get hit with a chair or something. Sadly, the culture has changed. You can’t learn a lesson dead or in prison, like you can from a bloody nose or tooth knocked out.

  3. Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

    …..Oh, and here’s a link to the latest developments Ugly Joe mentioned above. How much is truth and how much is legal posturing remains to be seen.

  4. uglyjoe says:

    Good points guys. Just to re-qualify and re-quantify, I have no problems with guns. I don’t own one, but I have no issues with folks who do (more or less legally). AK-47s may be a different issue and maybe where I lean a little further to the port side, but I’ve killed a few deer in my lifetime and only one was with a car (1987 in Wausau, Florida on my way home from Auburn – what a crappy night).

    Spanky made a good point with this type of thing happening everywhere and we only noticing because it was a high profile athlete. Loss of life is loss of life, and life in prison is life in prison. Certainly those are the biggest points – as a society, things are changing and not for the good. I guess the petty side of my tirade was that we kind of embraced this incident as a good kid in the wrong place at the wrong time, when in fact, the good kid was packing. Maybe that is harsh, but…..Of those who are given much, much is expected. We don’t seem to be learning lessons. Maybe it should be more like a penitentiary.

  5. GBAU83 says:

    Yes, he was packing…. but so does my wife – it doesn’t make him (or her) a thug but someone willing to protect themselves, if that is the intent of why they carry. My wife does because of the hours and location where she used to work, she carried (and still does) for personal protection. I don’t know who shot first in this instance, but maybe he shot in self-defense because a true thug chose to use higher firepower rather than words, fist or knives.
    The only reason I don’t concealed carry is where I work, the firearms are not allowed (federal installation), otherwise, I would for personal protection because, due to the environment and they way people are these days, you never know what you might have to do to protect your life. Sad that it has gotten that way.

  6. ATL_AU_FAN ATL_AU_FAN says:

    My wife and I both “pack” and I will forever continue to be an advocate for the right to “keep and bear” arms. I also keep two shotguns at home; one on the upper level where the bedrooms are located and one on the main level where our family room, kitchen, etc. are located. We no longer have kids at home so these are fully loaded and need only to slide off the safety and fire. The 1200 upstairs is fully automatic and the 870 on the main level is pump-action but, nonetheless, ready if needed. My handgun is a Beretta 92c 9mm while my better half packs virtually the same handgun except as a 380.
    I honestly don’t know why the ‘kids’ pack but I can certainly tell you why we do.
    I work for a credit card processing company and, while firearms in general are not allowed, I have special dispensation to have mine. With the access to personal data I have it simply wouldn’t do to be “kidnapped” with the intent to provide the idiots with access to your data.
    Of course, this still doesn’t explain why a college student and athlete had this firepower.

  7. uglyjoe says:

    I would never question anyone’s right to bear arms. The point I was trying to make was why was he at a questionable location late as night with a gun (legally obtained or not, I don’t know)? If he pulled the gun at a party in less than great surroundings, what happens when he gets mad and pulls it on another player in the locker room, in Walmart, etc. I’m just not seeing why a freshman football player needs to be carrying a gun.

    • CapnVegetto says:

      The answer is really simple: because he is a kid and he is incredibly stupid. Think back to when you were a kid and how stupid you were every time you ask a question like this.

      • uglyjoe says:

        Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I am pretty sure I already had grasped the concept that he was exhibiting poor behavior. My bigger point was what does Auburn (microscopically as the current issue) and we (macroscopically, as a society) do about it? At Auburn, there seems to be a pattern….in our society there is no question. Sorry if my questions caused you irritation; I will try to refrain.