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It Will Take More Than a Coach to Fix Auburn

By on October 22nd, 2012 in Football 60 Comments »

Debating the future of Gene Chizik is futile at this point. Agree or not, he’s done following the Iron Bowl on November 24th. But then what?

Do Auburn officials really believe they can land a coach capable of competing with Nick Saban under the present leadership structure in the athletic department?

Noted leadership expert John Maxwell often talks about the Law of the Lid. It basically says that if your leadership effectiveness is an “8” on a scale of 1-10, then you’ll never attract employees who rate higher than “6” or “7” on the same scale.

In other words, it’s silly to assume that Auburn can attract a Jon Gruden type candidate, one who can readily compete with Saban, without first cleaning house in the athletic department.

A proven coach is not going to put up with a splintered, dysfunctional organization that is perceived to still exist on Donahue Drive. Fair or not, that means Jay Jacobs’s tenure as athletic director may have to end for Auburn to have any chance of long-term success.

Whether you like him or hate him, Jacobs’s tenure has not been a complete bust. The modest renovations to Jordan-Hare Stadium have been welcomed and the construction of Auburn Arena was a much needed addition to campus, even if the payoff hasn’t come yet. And let’s not forget, Auburn won its long awaited title on his watch.

Unfortunately for Jacobs, perception and reality are hitting him between the eyes all at once.

The reality is that during Jacobs’s tenure, the football program has been embroiled in controversy and under-achievement with the exception of 2010, which shouldn’t be discounted.

Many Auburn people have never forgiven him for his perceived mistreatment of Tommy Tuberville following the 2008 season. Still beloved by some today, many believed Auburn owed him another year after finishing 5-7 his last season. The 2010 national title brushed those feelings under the rug for awhile, but now are resurfacing.

For two years, the hiring of Chizik made Jacobs into a genius. Maybe he did know what he was doing. Now with a 1-6 start, fans are taking another look at his track record and beginning to question his ability to lead.

Since taking over the athletic department in 2004, the men’s basketball team has a 40-74 record against SEC opponents. On the women’s side, they are 48-56 in conference play. In baseball, Auburn sits at 101-139 in the SEC during Jacobs’s tenure.

As damaging as those numbers are, it’s the perception that Jacobs is nothing more than a puppet that makes him so unlikeable among Auburn people. True or not, it’s been widely assumed that Jacobs was Bobby Lowder’s inside man until the former banking executive came off Auburn’s board in April.

It’s a claim that Jacobs has long rejected.

A former player under Pat Dye, he has welcomed the legendary coach back to the athletic department after Dye was exiled by Tuberville following JetGate in 2003. With Dye’s long-time ties to Lowder, many in the community believe that through Jacobs, both still have a say in football matters.

With the question coming up daily in light of this season’s disaster, Auburn president Jay Gogue insists that only he and Jacobs call the shots at Auburn. With the lines of authority so unclear, Auburn’s ability to attract a top coach will be limited at best.

The million dollar question is who does run Auburn Athletics now? With his recent publicized financial problems and departure from the board of trustees, Lowder’s influence has at best been minimized.

At this point, no one person has emerged as the driving force behind Auburn football. That can be both good and bad.

With a changing of the guard in the Auburn hierarchy now possible, many are calling for a complete washing of the old regime and Jacobs is the face of that group. Whether there’s enough new blood to make this happen will be the storyline of the coming months.

In the meantime, any chance of Auburn bringing in a proven winner will be hard. Putting your love of the university aside, you have to ask yourself who’d want to step into this Peyton Place.

The tradition, facilities and money at Auburn are top notch; but the same can be said for a lot of other places. Top coaches can demand these things anywhere, and they can do it without the baggage of Auburn’s internal fighting.

I’ll tell you right now, no proven coach is going to let Tim Jackson stick his nose in the football program. It was all fine and cool when Auburn was winning, now it’s just plain disgusting. His interference in football matters is a prime example of why the job will be unappealing to some.

All is not lost.

Just a few years ago, Alabama was in worse shape than Auburn. It hired a coach with a penchant for strippers and replaced him with a guy that had a big name and limited coaching skills.

More important than hiring Nick Saban, Alabama decided to get their house in order starting from the inside first. Unfortunately, what’s transpired has been nothing short of magnificent. The product on the field has been second to none and the fundraising and expansion of athletic properties have been even more impressive.

There’s no reason Auburn can’t do the same. Accomplishing it will take more than hiring a new football coach. It will take a leader in the athletic department and believers among the alumni willing to put aside petty differences to make Auburn better.

Auburn is at a crossroads, much like it was in 1981, when it hired that young coach from Wyoming. It needs a leader like him now, someone who believes in the future of Auburn. To get him, changes must come to Donahue Drive first.

Does Auburn have the stomach and will to make it happen?

Time will tell.


  1. Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

    …..Wow. Hard words, but they needed to be said. Well done, Jay. Well done!

  2. restless6 says:

    Good read.

    I said it yesterday and ill say it again, in agreement with you, that no championship caliber coach and staff will come to Auburn. I even asked my Auburn friends if they truly believed that this would happen. So far, none have answered with a yes.

    The program has become inferior as compared to Alabama, LSU and Florida. There is a malaise apparent in Auburn that no one has the courage to correct. No amount of sunshine pumping will stop the slide into the basement of the SEC and fodder for ridicule in the media and social circles.

    It’s an embarrassment, and the lack of someone stepping forward and showing leadership and an initiative to correct this is troubling.

    I’ve been a lifelong Auburn fan, have been to the games, and love the campus. I have never gotten the firing and disrespect towards Coach T out of my head. The firing of TT to the hiring of this 5-19 clown is a sick joke.

    We have cancelled plans to attend a home game this year. I won’t be buying anymore Auburn merchandise, and I’m not renewing my tag again with an Auburn one. I won’t support this program until an enema is given to the whole staff and AD. Give Dye the boot, too.

    Look across the state to see how successful programs are built and maintained, and how excellence is a priority.

    I’ll always remember Auburn for what it could be. I’ll never be a Bama fan, either, but I respect and admire their program.

    • atlau says:

      I agree on the Tubby sentiment. I would take Tubby back in a heartbeat. I don’t understand why AU fans don’t like him. He developed (or knew how to hire assistants who developed) players. Look at his coaching record at AU:

      – Out of the 10 seasons he was there, he had 6 seasons with at least 9 wins. He was 5-3 in his bowl games. And he should have gotten the chance to play for a national championship.
      – He beat Alabama 6 games in a row. His record against Bama: 7-3. Sorry, but any coach who beats Bama 6 in a row should retain his job.

      I always thought it was BS the way AU (ie, Lowder, Housel, Raines, Dye) treated him.

      We need to get someone in at AD who isn’t a puppet for Dye, Raines and other boosters.

      • Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

        Tuberville wore out his welcome I think because of missed opportunities. He would pull off a pretty good upset every year but he also lost nearly every year to a team Auburn had no business losing to (South FL, Ga. Tech, etc.). He did beat Alabama regularly but let’s face it, Alabama was on probation almost all of Tubs tenure. Those Auburn teams should have pounded Alabama into the turf but all Tubs could muster were mostly single digit margins of victory. It cost us a shot at USC in the NC title game one year.

  3. Tim says:

    This situation is the real problem; more than the current record of the football team. Our Athletic Department is in shambles because certain “power brokers” would rather have Auburn football as their personal toy than to see the entire department flourish. We do need a leader in the AD seat who is empowered to do his job and hire good coaches for all sports. We have anything but that now.

  4. restless6 says:

    Right on, Tim.

    Sudden, corrective action should be taken to remedy this. However, it won’t. The Chizik debacle will stretch on through the season. He will probably be replaced by Petrino, who will be told to keep much of the staff in place, and JJ will continue his reign of mediocrity.

    Maybe ticket and merchandise sales numbers will tank enough to motivate someone, or maybe the fact that the program is the laughingstock of the country will.

    The only thing fans can do is vote with their pocketbooks, and stop this infuriating sunshine pumping. It helps sustain this disaster.

  5. Todd92 Todd92 says:

    Excellent article, Jay. I have wanted Jacobs gone since the moment he was named AD. Does anyone out there think that Lowder got rid of one puppet AD (Housel) and failed to put another in his place? And while Lowder has been defanged to the point that he can’t micro manage the Football Program, his disciple, Jimmy Rain as well as Pat Dye meddle enough to keep the dark cloud over AU. As for Tim Jackson he has been groomed just as Jacobs was to be the next Yes Man in line for the AD position….. He is Jay Jacobs’ freaking “mini me”. A new AD is imperative for AUs success in all sports. I still believe that Chizik should be given 2013 to right the ship because of the 2010 season and because the new AD needs to purge the offices of the Atheletic Department to get rid of Tim Jackson and all vestiges of the old regime.

  6. Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

    I’m still sour with Jacobs over Tubby’s ouster. He had a chance to wipe the slate clean after JetGate and he did not. The relationship had deteriorated to the point that a change was made necessary. But that is not the only thing that JJ has mishandled.

    We need an AD with the stones to clean house and make solid uninfluenced decisions. Until that happens, this season will become the norm and we will officially replace Ole Miss or Kentucky at the bottom of the SEC. Happy Monday, everyone.

  7. wde1988 wde1988 says:

    Hey TET – you want to impress me with info on conspiracy theories at Auburn – how about explaining the situation without talking around it. Who are the “bagmen”?? Shine the light!

    Right now – all I know is that we have a good man as our coach and he is in WAY over his head and he needs to go. Today! If he was truly looking out for Auburn – he would leave on his own. It would make things less messy.

    For the life of me, I can’t explain why Scott Loeffler is still on the payroll except to say that Chizik is a man of his word and is probably doing his best to honor what he told him when he hired him. Unfortunately for Loeffler Coach Chizik was on shakey ground from his own performance. He would be the first one fired.

    The only other guy I know that is in the back ground that needs to go is Jacobs. People will talk about how he handled Tubs – but frankly – Tubs had quit on the job. In my estimation he stole hay from the barn… and he needed to be held accountable.

    But let’s stop quibbling about the past. It’s done! Let’s look forward. How do we fix Auburn? Can it be fixed?

    Want to fire everyone and start over? Great! No matter what we do – AU will be in rebuild mode for the next 5 years. To say anything else at this point is beyond realistic.

    Whatever AU does – we need to do it right! We are light years behind bama. And once again we have exemplified the ‘little brother’ syndrome in everything we do.


    • wde1988 wde1988 says:

      Incidently – can anyone imagine the politics going on at Auburn today? I wonder how many phone calls Jay Jacobs is making??? Scarbinsky isn’t helping things by throwing in statistics and fanning the flames with a fan vote.

      All that aside – without any movement – in any direction – AU will be down for the next 5-10 years. I happen to believe the sooner the action is taken – the sooner we get things back up and running on the Plains.

      Until that day.


    • Todd92 Todd92 says:

      You may have exemplified a “little brother syndrome” but I haven’t nor has my Alma Matre…… That’s your problem, go see a shrink and get it fixed if you need to. The problem you speak of would dictate that we do every thing in response to what bammer is doing and while we certainly want to beat them their success does not dictate our future. As for those of us who felt that Tubbs deserved another year? I am still convinced I am right on that one. Do I think he would have succeeded? No way to tell, but, his success at TTU has indicated that he may have. And before you start blathering about how long he has been at TTU….. He changed the philosophy and makeup of the program much the same way he did at AU when he was here. And last, as for you saying we need immediate change? That is exactly what everyone is talking about but instead of changing chess pieces we are talking about true change which starts at the top, change that should have been done long ago. You may trust Jacobs to hire the right coach but I have zero confidence in his ability to do so and don’t want to suffer through another crap shoot. I said repeatedly that if Chizik turned out to be the right coach that it would be because Jacobs got lucky because he is inept as an AD. Don’t treat the symptom treat the disease…… We’ve gotten Lowder out of power, don’t let someone else take his place and don’t fail to remove his henchman otherwise all is for naught.

      • wde1988 wde1988 says:

        A little touchy Todd. Aren’t we? Don’t like the ‘lil brother” phrase at all, huh? Good. But it still applies. bama has a successful program. That coach and program is about to win his 3rd NC in 5 years. Only a fool would argue that. It’s either that or you’d better find another analogy and fast. Something applicable to the situation. For now – you’d better get used to the one I mentioned first. But here is a new key word: anger managment.

        And unlike some here – no matter how much you bark and bite – ain’t going to change anything.

        Contrary to popular belief: 2011 & 2012 are already two years being ‘down’. Going back to the TT experiment I am counting on at least three more before we see any improvement.

        Don’t like it – make up your own history. It seems to work these days!



        • wde1988 wde1988 says:

          And that is three more once we get a new coach.


        • Todd92 Todd92 says:

          No anger management needed but you keep on assuming. As for revisionist history not sure what that references either. As to the term “little brother syndrome”? AU is not in need of change because Bama is on top, AU is in need of change because the program is reeling of its own accord completely independent of what transpires up north. Even getting rid of Tubbs was less a reaction to Bama and more Lowder seizing the moment to do what he had wanted to do since 2003 and Jetgate. I am also in no way saying that Chizik will be able to turn it around….. If he can he’s a better coach than any of us ever could have thought… What I am saying is that like it or not he earned 2013 with 2010 Cam or not. I also see you being incredibly reactionary with your doomsday prophesy “oh lawdy it’s gonna take 10 years to fix this…… Please fire this coach so we ca start the process!”. Get a grip on yourself (or should that be get over yourself?)….. The cupboard is far from bare thanks to the recruiting the current staff has done and if or when a new coach is hired he will have plenty to work with.

      • wde1988 wde1988 says:

        Todd, why don’t you an article that spells out what is going on at Auburn “behind the scenes” that folks like me don’t know.

        I would love the information because I sure as HECK don’t know. Speaking for myself, I am sick to death of folks insinuating responsibility belongs to this person or that when they really don’t know anything more than the rest of us do. Label these so called bagmen at AU that needs to be run out on rails. You might be surprised at the results!

        I tried to say that in my original statement (not necessarily focused at you) but you focused on the ‘lil bro’ comment.

        If folks REALLY want change – you do it by exposing the problems. Right now, that’s not being done by anyone. That doesn’t matter if it is in the paper with Scarbinsky or on any paid site or even here on TeT. All we are doing is smearing. Regardless of what you do, be objective. Stay on target and let the truth out! It will speak for itself. But if you can’t substantiate the claim then you probably shouldn’t insinuate someone is evil without evidence to back it up. Sounds like a recycled statement of Cam Newton’s affair… but there it is.


        • Todd92 Todd92 says:

          You’re probably right David Housel took the Colonial Bank corporate jet keys from Lowder’s desk without permission and flew to Louisville on his own accord and got fired for that and then the BOT (Lowder) let Jacobs get the AD job because they knew that nobody including them would have sway over his decision making and Jacobs begrudgingly got rid of Tuberville because of one poor season even though he didn’t want to because they were best buds. Is that a better bed time story for you?

  8. Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

    It will not take 5-10 years to get over this season. Gracious! Chill out and step away from the panic button.

    • wde1988 wde1988 says:

      Keep sippin the kool aide.

      We are adrift. You can’t sugar coat it any more sis.


      • Tiger on the mountain Tiger on the mountain says:

        I’ve never tried to sugar coat this season. Clearly, you see what you want to see in my comments. Oh, BTW, you are doing an A+ TERRIFIC, gold-star-deserving job of staying ‘objective’.

  9. Todd92 Todd92 says:

    Heartfelt sympathies to coach Chizik and family for the loss of his mother.

    • wde1988 wde1988 says:

      We can agree on that.


    • AubTigerman AubTigerman says:

      Death is never a convenient visitor.

      But what a tough thing to happen while Coach Chizik is going through these stressful days.

      Our thoughts and prayers are with the Coach and his family at this time.

  10. wde1988 wde1988 says:

    Looks like nothing is changing until the end of the season. No matter what we decide to do, until action starts moving us in a direction we can’t officially start the “rebuild” clock until at least next year or maybe the year after that…

    Until then… we are waiting.


    • Todd92 Todd92 says:

      What do think he should have said? They are all fired at the end of the year? Wonderful management strategy (standing up and clapping slow and loud)

      • wde1988 wde1988 says:

        I am “all in” todd. What more do you want?


        • Todd92 Todd92 says:

          Fair enough let me rephrase the question. Would it make you feel better if Chizik threw one of the assistants under the bus publicly? I wouldn’t but that’s just me.

          • wde1988 wde1988 says:

            Hmmm. Obviously I think we simply see things differently here. I hate to sound like a politician – but it would depend. My version of “throwing under the bus” would be to fire. Terminate. Escort from the building.

            From my perspective it depends on the latitude given by the head coach. If he has put reins on Loeffler – the OC would get a pass. Automatic. You can’t old him responsible for something he isn’t got total responsibility for. But if Chizik gave complete control to the OC… then Loeffler would be fired immediately for being incompetent. Being last in the statistic category for offense (pick the sub-category) and I think that is for cause.

            Again, I will restate my position on this – and it’s only an opinion – I think Chizik is trying to do the honorable thing by keeping Loeffler till the end of the season. But here pretty soon – it might not matter what Chizik’s intentions are. That is the million…. excuse me… $7.5 M question.

            Incidently – one of the articles I posted above talk about this. It suggest that the problems aren’t the coordinators. That Chizik is the problem directly. It mentions how Malzahn is doing in Ark State and how Roof is doing at Penn State.

            It’s hard to argue against considering what I know that is going on behind the scenes. And as I have stated repeatedly when compared to folks like yourself – I know next to nothing. But I call them like I see them.

            Considering how much you guys loved Tubby… I find it more than a bit interesting that you used this analogy to make a point. Didn’t Tubby do that to Franklin in 2008?


          • Acid Reign Acid Reign says:

            …..Franklin’s situation was a little different than Loeffler’s. The week after Vandy, Franklin basically blew a gasket at practice, and the whole world was able to see that there was serious strife on the coaching staff, and he was not getting along with the old guard. If you’ve got two employees at work who are openly feuding, conventional wisdom says to separate them. The only way to do that was to either fire Franklin, or a bunch of position coaches.

            …..We’ve not really heard a peep of that nature from this staff. Everyone still seems to be trying their best, and are acting in a professional manner. Everyone likes to say that Gene Chizik must be meddling in the offense, for it to be this bad. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the boss have the right to correct his underlings? A lot of folks want to put the situation of Gus Malzhan leaving in this category. If Gus was ticked off at Chizik for meddling, do you really think he’d have come back and coordinated the offense in the bowl game? He didn’t have to do that.

          • wde1988 wde1988 says:

            Acid, you are right. I remember that. I also remember that Tubby was responsible for allowing the atmosphere to linger and not gving the reins fully to Franklin… giving an impression that his sub position coachs could do what they wanted. This ultimately caused the explosion. Another reason Tubs had to go – that was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.

            Still. In answering Todd’s question, I still think that if you assert that Loeffler has control – then you are keeping him because… what? A contract. If so – I think that is a bit short sited considering the sights are now leveling on the head coach instead of Loeffler. Yeah, you could be criticized for being a bad manager and costing the program money… but they couldn’t say you didn’t do all that you could to ensure that changes were made. But that is just an opinion.

            You are right about this crew being tight lipped. That is for sure. While that helps in some regards – it also hurts in others. He doens’t have to worry about bad press… he has to worry about remaining relevant. It’s that simple. And I think he is losing the war.

            Again, I read the article I posted. And while I know the author makes liberal assertions I do think it is interesting to point out that they are now successful in positions of equal to or greater responsibility. That was the only thing I was getting at.


  11. MyAuburn myauburn says:

    I see a period of down time for the program after this year but not as long as you are predicting. There are a bunch of cases of new head coaches putting a contender on the field in two years or less. In our case it could be less but it is obvious we have a ton of talented young kids on our team and with good coaching we could turn it around quickly. I just don’t think Chizik is the man to do it.

    • wde1988 wde1988 says:

      Well, for sake of arguement – I will concede that to you. I sure hope you are more right than I am….

      All that is ticking now is time. One thing I have learned – it flys without you knowing it.


    • wde1988 wde1988 says:

      It would be nice to see too. I just don’t see that happening with the way things are at AU right now. Obviously, there is something wrong with this coach and staff that they can’t make changes or that we have seen the team’s abilities slide from game 1 to game 6. Awful doesn’t really do it justice.

      Still, I think some here are right that there must be more too it than just the coach. JJ is intimately tied to Chizik. You can’t go after one without going after the other… or can you? Right now, I don’t think anything is happening, contrary to what Scarbinsky s.

      Since I am not a mechanic, I’m not qualified to tell you where this machine is broken… but broken it is. This machine has so much promise… it can be better than the one up the road I firmly believe…. but for now… it’s not. We are firmly in their shadow. And will be till the machine gets repaired.

      For spice add the mysterious men who seem to meddle in the affairs of the program… are they real? Or are they a figment of someone’s imagination. Is it money envy? Again. Just a home grown version of Wall Street banker haters? Hell, I don’t know.

      For now, we look to the future. When that get’s here… is anyones guess.


      • Todd92 Todd92 says:

        I’m not being a smartass (this time) but is 1988 the year you were born? I find it hard to believe that anyone who is old enough to have graduated AU in 1988 would be oblivious to the embarrassment that Bobby Lowder has been to our Alma Matre with his overlording of the BOT, micromanagement, and meddling in the AD over the past 30 years. SACS the accrediting organization pulled AU’s accreditation because of it…… That is ed by SACS not some sort of “Wall Street Envy”. For someone with a penchant for referencing history seems like you need to do a little research.

        • WarEagleAtlanta WarEagleAtlanta says:

          Whoa. SACS didn’t pull our accreditation. We were placed on probabtion with the danger of losing it if we didn’t straighten up and fly right. Big difference.

          • Todd92 Todd92 says:

            You are correct Greg….. But outside of the accreditation being threatened….. What about this statement is incorrect? At what point are we suffering delusions about what Lowder has done? If someone isn’t aware of it they should educate themselves if for no other reason than to know what happened.

          • wde1988 wde1988 says:

            Sorry Partner. While I love football – it don’t pay the bills.


    • theoldguard says:

      I think our situation is more akin to UCLA & USC.

  12. Malakai Malakai says:

    Good article Jay. Still what’s the likelihood of JJ being given the boot? Not as much as it is for CC. Right now Jacobs is distancing himself as much from Chiz as he can. I mean, I can’t remember the last time I saw the guy on the sidelines. Jocobs may be too entrenched to be taken out right away, but Chizik isn’t. I’d like to see a discussion on likely replacements for him.
    We’ve all heard Petrino’s name thrown around, but that guy comes with some severe moral baggage. I’m not judging, but a lot of the community will. So who else is out there? Auburn has the money to pull down a big time coach, even after paying Chiz’s buyout, but it’s all about timing and availability. I wonder how long Les Miles has on his contract!

  13. autiger.1991 autiger.1991 says:

    Agreed! It goes much deeper than the pitiful football program. Look at the entire sports scene at Auburn under his tenure.

  14. Tigerstripe Tigerstripe says:

    I’ve thoroughly enjoyed everyone’s perspective and as an Auburn fan I respect them equally even if I don’t fundamentally agree with all of them… Can I just say that I could care less about what bama, LSU and UF do and how they choose to run their programs… Auburn is not lessened by what they accomplish or greater because of their failures. Auburn is just simply great. To me it’s never been about JUST winning championships but rather having a program that one can be proud of.

    If it were JUST about winning championships, then we have a monumental task ahead of us. First, we will need to reestablish the population of the fan base away from bama. No thanks but I don’t want most of those paint lickers over here on the Plaines. Then, we will also have to redirect the Alabama media to, how do you say, “…kindly look the other way while we shuffle through some improprieties”. No thanks, I hear those media types don’t come cheap. Also, at some point we will have to make a deal with the devil and apparently bama already has a binding contract with him with an enormous buy out clause.

    That being said, I like who we are. Absolutely – get rid of anyone who is dragging their feet or wants to take shortcuts and put band aids on the real problem. We always need to create an environment of competitiveness, high graduation rates, clean programs, passionate fans, success in all sports with a family atmosphere. If those characteristics aren’t who Auburn wants to be anymore then I guess it’s time for me to move down and find a FBS school to hitch my wagon to. No, it isn’t any fun to be the butt of the SEC jokes right now but all of this is cyclical anyway. We will be back and I got time to wait and hopefully we won’t have to sell our souls to the likes of a ‘Petrino’ JUST to win games.

    If we need to, let’s go find the Kryzewski of football not because he wins games but because he’s a winner. Honestly though, who really knows who or what the problem actually is… I wouldn’t begin to assume that I have a good understanding about what is going on behind the scenes because I have the opposing digits to google articles with the words, “Chizik”, “Jacobs” or “Lowder”… I will leave that to some of you who seem to have wire tapping capabilities.

    War Eagle my friends! Keep the faith and maybe go revisit The Auburn Creed from time to time.

    • wde1988 wde1988 says:

      Totally agree. But shouldn’t we want to win too? I mean, I can understand your comments about “doing it our way” as opposed to comparing ourselves to bama…. but if you live here – that is part of the gig of being a fan/alum.

      How can you separate the two? Just wondering.

      Honestly – and this isn’t poking at you tigerstripe so please don’t take it that way… I think some folks woke up on the wrong side of bed today. Didn’t say that it’s “my way or the highway”… just offered an opinion.

      Just because we are “all in” doesn’t mean that we don’t “all hurt” when things go south. This is a great example of a large community with about 400K different points of view. Instead of urinating on someones leg for making a statement on their perspective – how about trying to elaborate on your own point of view without all the saracastic or just plain demeaning innuendo? Communication is key. But again, just like with large families, we are about as dysfunctional as they come.

      Just ask Todd.


      WDE anyway!
      War Eagle!

      • Tigerstripe Tigerstripe says:

        Whoa, dude! Where are you coming from on the “urination”??? Absolutely, nothing that I said was in any way directed at you… I’m just posting my thoughts after reading all of the commentary… Relax, the point that I was trying to make (I’m not a journalist) is that I have not, will not compare Auburn to any other program. Many other programs are successful for different reasons. I do not embrace mediocrity but I’m not in the camp of winning at any cost while losing our identity as Auburn alum/fans.

        If we are missing strong leadership that has character, then lets by all means find the right leadership. I am not one who knows the actual problems and I doubt anyone truly knows that. It’s easy for us to complain about JJ and CGC when the only barometer is winning; yet we’ve never done their job, we don’t know what it takes to do their job. And should winning be the only measurement of success? Nevermind…

        • mgizmo2005 says:

          Agreed. I miss the “rec” button.

        • restless6 says:

          Alabama is running a clean program without “selling out” and winning, as is LSU and Florida.

          Auburn will be mediocre as long as the fans accept it.

          You don’t have to “sell out” to win.

        • wde1988 wde1988 says:

          Agreed! And again, I was simply using the moment to clear the air. My apologies.

          Tigerstripe, you were above board in your answer.

          Still, I am wondering if we aren’t communicating here again.

          You say “win at all costs” and AU having to give up our identity. How? Focusing on those that you see doing it – do you really see bama doing that? Where is the evidence that they have that mentality? Seriously. This is no longer rumor or conjecture between fellow AU fans… I mean where is the proof that they are dirty?

          Can you point to a single article (from an established and respected sports r – not the bleacher report or here) where bama has been cited under the current leadership for something as serious as what has happened at NC or USC and probation has occured? And even where it did… how much did it cost bama?

          Who said AU would lose it’s way in winning? I didn’t. While I am advocating major changes and fast – that doesn’t mean we change AU or the way we are.

          Understand I hate bama. Further, I hate Saban. But I can’t argue with winning. Is it at all costs? I can’t see it. Show me.

          After saying that…again… I think as AU fans/alum… we deserve the same thing. I happened to believe David Housel when he said years ago… that a day would come where AU would have several championships back to back. Was I sold a bill of goods? Is that impossible? I don’t think so with the right leadership and players.

          And is winning the only barometer? If so – we aren’t meeting the mark. So I ask you – is recruiting a measure? We did very well but we can’t field a team that can play or compete. Can you say that the current team has a “high” graduation rate? Last I heard the statistic… we were average. I can’t quote it or anything but it was nothing to home about.

          So are we saying that our creed is the only thing we got that differentiates us from everyone else? Makes us uniquely Auburn? I think not. No. I think it helps define us… but it is part of a bigger picture. All I am saying about the football team and any other sport you care to mention is somehow we lost sight of where we wanted to go. That is why I think we need changes on the Plains.


  15. DBAU81 says:

    Jay, this is right on target. The ball is now squarely in Dr. Gogue’s and the BOT’s court to seize an opportunity to effect a real culture change within the athletic department. The remnants of the Lowder Gang must go and be replaced by strong, new independent leadership that has the full backing of, and is accountable only to, the president and the board. Easier said than done – but the sooner we get started the better off we will be. Like it or not, the clearest advantage Alabama has over us right now is there is absolutely no doubt who is running the show in Tuscaloosa. While I have never been in favor of using UAT as the measuring stick for our own goals and accomplishments, in this particular case the contrast is striking – and instructive. Our best chance to right the ship quickly is to hire a proven coach that can unite the fan base, but with JJ in charge the chances that we can do so are slim to none. The powers that be should be making preparations NOW to move quickly to take the necessary steps as soon as the season is over. War Eagle!

  16. BigDaddyAU says:

    I will go out on a limb here and say the likelyhood that JJ is fired is HIGHER than that of CGC. Regardless of how this year turns out I believe with the change over from a different style of offense as well as defense the CCG will be given a chance to “right the ship” . Should he falter next year then all bets are off.

    HOWEVER, history has shown that perhaps JJ is over his head as far as an AD position. He has overseen some nice improvements to facilities but that is about it. CCG withstanding (some may argue) his hires have been sup-par at best. Granted in some instances the programs had already sunk to extremely low levels or were hampered by probation (basketball) and the coach hired had little to no chance of correcting the problem anyhow.


  17. Third Generation Tiger Third Generation Tiger says:

    Where uncertainty exists, so does opportunity. Does the current braintrust have what it takes to capitalize?

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